Craps Table At Winstar Casino

PickMachine

The Chickasaw Nation Division of Commerce Game Rules for Card Craps Description: Casino Craps is one of the most exciting casino games. It is common to hear yelling and shouting at a Craps table. Players make wagers on the outcome of the roll, or a series of rolls, of a pair of dice. We will be using cards in place of dice to establish the roll. WinStar World Casino and Resort has more games than any casino in the world! Offering 370,000 sq. Feet of casino floor including 8,500 electronic games, 100 table games including craps and roulette, a 55 table poker room, a 3,500-seat Global Events Center, two 18-hole championship golf courses, a state of the art golf academy, and nearly 1,400 hotel rooms.

So does anyone know what this truly means for the game of craps is it still traditional style where you can place bets on place numbers and win or is this some different type setup?
FleaStiff
I can't follow any of this stuff and doubt I would do better at following it after having some morning coffee.
I think the state is trying to get its money rather than let the casino get it. This appears to be a 'the money goes into a pool, the state takes its cut and then the casino can do any math it wants to do'. This avoids letting the casino be 'creative' prior to the state's getting its pint.
TigerWu
I saw a big billboard in town advertising craps and roulette 'coming soon' to the Hard Rock here.
I'll be there in a couple weeks for an event, and I'll try to get some more info on how it will all work (if no one here gets there before me).
TigerWu
Craps and Roulette are now live in Oklahoma.
I'm going to one of the casinos to check it out this weekend.
Puckerbutt
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Craps and Roulette are now live in Oklahoma.
I'm going to one of the casinos to check it out this weekend.


Roulette is live at Riverwind Casino, but craps isn't. I only observed for a few seconds as I walked by but I didn't notice any 50-cent chips which was unusual as I've never seen any Chickasaw gaming property waive the ante. (Perhaps there is a loophole and the ante only applied when their version of roulette was card based?)
I'll be at Winstar (another Chickasaw property) the 22nd and 23rd and will check on what is available there if anyone is interested.
If'n I'd a knowed you wanted to have went with me - I'd a seen that you got to get to go.
Puckerbutt
I've been to the following Chickasaw properties within the past 24 hours and the rules were uniform.
Newcastle, Riverwind, and Winstar Roulette
Ante $1
Min Bet $5
Min Buy-in $20
Max Bets
$500 on outside 1 to 1 bets
$250 on outside 2 to 1 bets
$10 any way to the number inside
The following sign was at Riverwind only -
'Any spin that does not complete 4 rotations around the wheel will be considered a No Spin'
Winstar was the only one of the group that was setting up for craps and I saw 3 tables.
If'n I'd a knowed you wanted to have went with me - I'd a seen that you got to get to go.
klimate10
According to the person in charge at Winstar, there will be an ante per come out roll. The ante is $1.
If after paying the ante, the player has a winning 7/11 or losing 2,3,12, then the player must pay another ante to post the next pass line or DP bet.
A push on the DP is a decision and will require another ante.
After the ante is paid, if a point is established, the bettor may make any additional bets, whether the bets be Come bets, place bets, Hardways, field, etc, and may continue to post additional wagers, without paying another ante, until the player has a 7 out.
The game will be house banked, not player banked.
I have spoken to quite a few players from central Texas and surrounding areas who will not be deterred by this ante requirement. Their logic is that they would spend more money than the ante by flying to Las Vegas or driving to Shreveport, LA.

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TigerWu


Newcastle, Riverwind, and Winstar Roulette
Ante $1
Min Bet $5
Min Buy-in $20

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Those minimums aren't bad at all for Roulette, even with the ante. Still terrible odds, but at least it's cheap.
Noncompete
Have all of the Oklahoma converted to real craps and roulette? Also, IIRC the casinos only charge a $1 ante on the come out roll, which really hurts if a 2,3,7,11, or 12 is rolled since you immediately have to pay it again.
ThatDonGuy

Newcastle, Riverwind, and Winstar Roulette
Ante $1
Min Bet $5
Min Buy-in $20
Max Bets
$500 on outside 1 to 1 bets
$250 on outside 2 to 1 bets
$10 any way to the number inside

Doesn't sound promising for the $5 bettor - an even-money bet becomes 5-6, with a house edge (assuming a double-zero wheel) of 13.16%. $10 bets (10-11) drop it to 9.57%, and $25 bets (25-26) drop it to 7.09%.
You think that's bad? $5 on a single number (the payout is now 175-6, or just over 29-1) has a house edge of 20.61%.
Keep in mind that these numbers are based on making only one bet per spin.
Or does 'ante' not mean what I think it means - a fee for the privilege of betting, since this is how the casino makes its money?
Quote: klimate10

According to the person in charge at Winstar, there will be an ante per come out roll. The ante is $1.
If after paying the ante, the player has a winning 7/11 or losing 2,3,12, then the player must pay another ante to post the next pass line or DP bet.
A push on the DP is a decision and will require another ante.
After the ante is paid, if a point is established, the bettor may make any additional bets, whether the bets be Come bets, place bets, Hardways, field, etc, and may continue to post additional wagers, without paying another ante, until the player has a 7 out.

Questions:
1. Does everybody pay the ante on the comeout, or just the shooter?
2. If (1) is 'everybody,' then can somebody avoid the ante by not betting on comeout rolls?
3. If (2) is 'no,' then how do they enforce this? Do the dealers put markers in front of the players that have paid the ante?
PickMachine
So does anyone know what this truly means for the game of craps is it still traditional style where you can place bets on place numbers and win or is this some different type setup?
FleaStiff
I can't follow any of this stuff and doubt I would do better at following it after having some morning coffee.
I think the state is trying to get its money rather than let the casino get it. This appears to be a 'the money goes into a pool, the state takes its cut and then the casino can do any math it wants to do'. This avoids letting the casino be 'creative' prior to the state's getting its pint.
TigerWu
I saw a big billboard in town advertising craps and roulette 'coming soon' to the Hard Rock here.
I'll be there in a couple weeks for an event, and I'll try to get some more info on how it will all work (if no one here gets there before me).
TigerWu
Craps and Roulette are now live in Oklahoma.
I'm going to one of the casinos to check it out this weekend.
Puckerbutt
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Craps and Roulette are now live in Oklahoma.
I'm going to one of the casinos to check it out this weekend. Silver slipper casino in bay st. louis mississippi.


Roulette is live at Riverwind Casino, but craps isn't. I only observed for a few seconds as I walked by but I didn't notice any 50-cent chips which was unusual as I've never seen any Chickasaw gaming property waive the ante. (Perhaps there is a loophole and the ante only applied when their version of roulette was card based?)
I'll be at Winstar (another Chickasaw property) the 22nd and 23rd and will check on what is available there if anyone is interested.
If'n I'd a knowed you wanted to have went with me - I'd a seen that you got to get to go.
Puckerbutt
I've been to the following Chickasaw properties within the past 24 hours and the rules were uniform.
Newcastle, Riverwind, and Winstar Roulette
Ante $1
Min Bet $5
Min Buy-in $20
Max Bets
$500 on outside 1 to 1 bets
$250 on outside 2 to 1 bets
$10 any way to the number inside
The following sign was at Riverwind only -
'Any spin that does not complete 4 rotations around the wheel will be considered a No Spin'
Winstar was the only one of the group that was setting up for craps and I saw 3 tables.
If'n I'd a knowed you wanted to have went with me - I'd a seen that you got to get to go.
klimate10

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According to the person in charge at Winstar, there will be an ante per come out roll. The ante is $1.
If after paying the ante, the player has a winning 7/11 or losing 2,3,12, then the player must pay another ante to post the next pass line or DP bet.
A push on the DP is a decision and will require another ante.
After the ante is paid, if a point is established, the bettor may make any additional bets, whether the bets be Come bets, place bets, Hardways, field, etc, and may continue to post additional wagers, without paying another ante, until the player has a 7 out.
The game will be house banked, not player banked.
I have spoken to quite a few players from central Texas and surrounding areas who will not be deterred by this ante requirement. Their logic is that they would spend more money than the ante by flying to Las Vegas or driving to Shreveport, LA.
TigerWu


Newcastle, Riverwind, and Winstar Roulette
Ante $1
Min Bet $5
Min Buy-in $20


Those minimums aren't bad at all for Roulette, even with the ante. Still terrible odds, but at least it's cheap.
Noncompete
Have all of the Oklahoma converted to real craps and roulette? Also, IIRC the casinos only charge a $1 ante on the come out roll, which really hurts if a 2,3,7,11, or 12 is rolled since you immediately have to pay it again.
ThatDonGuy

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Newcastle, Riverwind, and Winstar Roulette
Ante $1
Min Bet $5
Min Buy-in $20
Max Bets
$500 on outside 1 to 1 bets
$250 on outside 2 to 1 bets
$10 any way to the number inside

Doesn't sound promising for the $5 bettor - an even-money bet becomes 5-6, with a house edge (assuming a double-zero wheel) of 13.16%. $10 bets (10-11) drop it to 9.57%, and $25 bets (25-26) drop it to 7.09%.
You think that's bad? $5 on a single number (the payout is now 175-6, or just over 29-1) has a house edge of 20.61%.
Keep in mind that these numbers are based on making only one bet per spin.
Or does 'ante' not mean what I think it means - a fee for the privilege of betting, since this is how the casino makes its money?
Quote: klimate10

According to the person in charge at Winstar, there will be an ante per come out roll. The ante is $1.
If after paying the ante, the player has a winning 7/11 or losing 2,3,12, then the player must pay another ante to post the next pass line or DP bet.
A push on the DP is a decision and will require another ante.
After the ante is paid, if a point is established, the bettor may make any additional bets, whether the bets be Come bets, place bets, Hardways, field, etc, and may continue to post additional wagers, without paying another ante, until the player has a 7 out.

Questions:
1. Does everybody pay the ante on the comeout, or just the shooter?
2. If (1) is 'everybody,' then can somebody avoid the ante by not betting on comeout rolls?

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3. If (2) is 'no,' then how do they enforce this? Do the dealers put markers in front of the players that have paid the ante?